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		<title>firefox 3 &#8211; not so much</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Mar 2009 09:00:54 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>doug</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[browsers]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[decay]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[entropy]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[firefox]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[firefox 3]]></category>
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		<description><![CDATA[I used Firefox 2 with about seven plugins that I considered must-haves &#8211; things like Adblock Plus and Flashblock and Colorful Tabs and Tabbrowser and Remember Mismatched Domains. I recommended it highly, and if it had occasional crashes, they were few and far between enough that I never paid them a lot of attention. Firefox [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I used Firefox 2 with about seven plugins that I considered must-haves &#8211; things like Adblock Plus and Flashblock and Colorful Tabs and Tabbrowser and Remember Mismatched Domains.    I recommended it highly, and if it had occasional crashes, they were few and far between enough that I never paid them a lot of attention.  </p>
<p>Firefox 3.  Not so much.  I&#8217;ve been waiting since the product first came out for a resolution to whatever memory leak or looping code causes it to just lock up the entire desktop and churn away until I kill it off.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been using Opera, which I just find a bit odd, but mostly faster and mostly stable.  I&#8217;ve downloaded Chromium for linux, Codeweaver&#8217;s proof-of-concept of running Chrome under wine on linux.  And I downloaded and installed opera, chrome and even Apple&#8217;s safari on windows.  </p>
<p>This firefox misbehavior seems to happen on BOTH operating systems.  Here&#8217;s a shot of the current bahavior:</p>
<blockquote><p>
<code><br />
Tasks: 180 total,   2 running, 178 sleeping,   0 stopped,   0 zombie<br />
Cpu(s): 70.1%us,  2.7%sy,  0.0%ni, 27.2%id,  0.0%wa,  0.0%hi,  0.0%si,  0.0%st<br />
Mem:   2066104k total,  2023092k used,    43012k free,   296832k buffers<br />
Swap:  1646620k total,    39812k used,  1606808k free,   972692k cached<br />
</code><br />
<code><br />
  PID USER      PR  NI  VIRT  RES  SHR S %CPU %MEM    TIME+  COMMAND<br />
17146 dsm       20   0  373m 180m  35m R  143  8.9  71:52.02 firefox<br />
 4995 root      20   0  387m  53m 4744 S    2  2.7 137:35.74 Xorg<br />
 7409 dsm       20   0 32592  15m  11m S    1  0.8   0:09.48 konsole<br />
 5343 root      20   0  3304 1044  908 S    0  0.1   2:40.47 hald-addon-stor<br />
 7793 dsm       20   0 53516  32m 2236 S    0  1.6   9:09.60 synergys<br />
    1 root      20   0  2844 1688  544 S    0  0.1   0:01.84 init<br />
    2 root      15  -5     0    0    0 S    0  0.0   0:00.00 kthreadd<br />
    3 root      RT  -5     0    0    0 S    0  0.0   0:00.00 migration/0<br />
    4 root      15  -5     0    0    0 S    0  0.0   0:03.72 ksoftirqd/0<br />
    5 root      RT  -5     0    0    0 S    0  0.0   0:00.00 watchdog/0<br />
    6 root      RT  -5     0    0    0 S    0  0.0   0:00.00 migration/1<br />
    7 root      15  -5     0    0    0 S    0  0.0   0:01.32 ksoftirqd/1<br />
    8 root      RT  -5     0    0    0 S    0  0.0   0:00.00 watchdog/1<br />
    9 root      15  -5     0    0    0 S    0  0.0   0:04.90 events/0<br />
   10 root      15  -5     0    0    0 S    0  0.0   0:03.88 events/1<br />
   11 root      15  -5     0    0    0 S    0  0.0   0:00.00 khelper<br />
   46 root      15  -5     0    0    0 S    0  0.0   0:00.28 kblockd/0<br />
   47 root      15  -5     0    0    0 S    0  0.0   0:00.30 kblockd/1<br />
   50 root      15  -5     0    0    0 S    0  0.0   0:00.00 kacpid<br />
   51 root      15  -5     0    0    0 S    0  0.0   0:00.00 kacpi_notify<br />
  126 root      15  -5     0    0    0 S    0  0.0   0:00.00 kseriod<br />
  160 root      20   0     0    0    0 S    0  0.0   0:07.48 pdflush<br />
  161 root      20   0     0    0    0 S    0  0.0   0:02.20 pdflush<br />
  162 root      15  -5     0    0    0 S    0  0.0   0:02.10 kswapd0<br />
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</p></blockquote>
<p>and then after killing it off and restarting:</p>
<blockquote><p>
<code><br />
root@dali:/home/dsm/Desktop/programmes# killall firefox<br />
root@dali:/home/dsm/Desktop/programmes# top<br />
top - 14:46:04 up 10 days, 23:08,  1 user,  load average: 0.96, 1.31, 1.25<br />
Tasks: 180 total,   3 running, 177 sleeping,   0 stopped,   0 zombie<br />
Cpu(s):  6.9%us,  0.6%sy,  0.0%ni, 92.5%id,  0.0%wa,  0.0%hi,  0.0%si,  0.0%st<br />
Mem:   2066104k total,  1955112k used,   110992k free,   296928k buffers<br />
Swap:  1646620k total,    39812k used,  1606808k free,   953204k cached<br />
</code><br />
<code><br />
  PID USER      PR  NI  VIRT  RES  SHR S %CPU %MEM    TIME+  COMMAND<br />
17650 dsm       20   0  248m 126m  28m R   17  6.2   0:25.31 firefox<br />
 4995 root      20   0  387m  53m 4520 S    1  2.7 137:42.25 Xorg<br />
 7366 dsm       20   0 29972  11m 8668 S    0  0.6   1:29.68 kwin<br />
 7370 dsm       20   0 36764  18m  13m S    0  0.9  11:19.00 kicker<br />
 7793 dsm       20   0 53516  32m 2236 S    0  1.6   9:11.19 synergys<br />
    1 root      20   0  2844 1688  544 S    0  0.1   0:01.84 init<br />
    2 root      15  -5     0    0    0 S    0  0.0   0:00.00 kthreadd<br />
    3 root      RT  -5     0    0    0 S    0  0.0   0:00.00 migration/0<br />
    4 root      15  -5     0    0    0 S    0  0.0   0:03.72 ksoftirqd/0<br />
    5 root      RT  -5     0    0    0 S    0  0.0   0:00.00 watchdog/0<br />
    6 root      RT  -5     0    0    0 S    0  0.0   0:00.00 migration/1<br />
    7 root      15  -5     0    0    0 S    0  0.0   0:01.32 ksoftirqd/1<br />
    8 root      RT  -5     0    0    0 S    0  0.0   0:00.00 watchdog/1<br />
    9 root      15  -5     0    0    0 S    0  0.0   0:04.92 events/0<br />
   10 root      15  -5     0    0    0 S    0  0.0   0:03.88 events/1<br />
   11 root      15  -5     0    0    0 S    0  0.0   0:00.00 khelper<br />
   46 root      15  -5     0    0    0 S    0  0.0   0:00.28 kblockd/0<br />
   47 root      15  -5     0    0    0 S    0  0.0   0:00.30 kblockd/1<br />
   50 root      15  -5     0    0    0 S    0  0.0   0:00.00 kacpid<br />
   51 root      15  -5     0    0    0 S    0  0.0   0:00.00 kacpi_notify<br />
  126 root      15  -5     0    0    0 S    0  0.0   0:00.00 kseriod<br />
  160 root      20   0     0    0    0 S    0  0.0   0:07.48 pdflush<br />
  161 root      20   0     0    0    0 S    0  0.0   0:02.20 pdflush<br />
  162 root      15  -5     0    0    0 S    0  0.0   0:02.10 kswapd0<br />
</code>
</p></blockquote>
<p>Yes &#8211; that first figure &#8211; 143% of the cpu.   Dropping back to 17% of the CPU with the same tabs and sites loaded.</p>
<p>Whatever.  I don&#8217;t WANT to pay attention to the browser &#8211; the whole point of firefox was to NOT have to pay attention, and they have completely ruined that in version 3. </p>
<p>There is something seriously wrong with firefox, that causes it over time to start misbehaving and to require a reload from scratch.  And this seems to occur on both windows and Linux.  It is no longer useful.  It also seems to being misbehavior once it has downloaded just about any kind of update whether for the browser or a plugin. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been waiting for firefox three to fix this.  Recently firefox 3.07 came out.  I just got the window informing me that it has upgraded me to the latest!!!.  Just this morning.  And yet&#8230; And yet &#8211; it is still BROKEN. </p>
<p>When you go onto the internet and search for Firefox 3 performance or cpu or memory issues &#8211; the first ten or fifteen google results laud firefox three for its blazing performance.  True &#8211; for awhile.  Eventually it will force you to pay attention to it by hanging and chewing up your cpu to where your computer is no longer working.  </p>
<p>I wish they&#8217;d fix it.  But whether they do or not, </p>
<p>I can&#8217;t wait for Chrome to come out for linux&#8230;</p>
<p><img src=../../../images/posts/2009/google_chrome_logo.jpg alt="chrome" title="chrome logo"/></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>&#8211;doug</p>

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